sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Curious what you guys think? I guess the Rickenbackers, but any others? Can you get the sound out of a Jazzmaster, Jag, or certain teles? Anything else? Talking production guitars here and not some custom something.
Jangle sound. Mostly in Rock/pop context. What guitars?
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Help!I'maRock!
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Telecaster.
Danelectro.
Any guitar with a bass cut.
My Ric does not jangle.
Danelectro.
Any guitar with a bass cut.
My Ric does not jangle.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Cool. I think I have that available to me, and can play with settings in the Line 6 and P0lara perhaps. I can get compression out of the Line 6. If I wanted to really try to get specific for a project, I guess I could try to find a used one of these for cheap.
But will experiment with what I have, before that. I want to see if I can get enough of the vibe of it for me, without some other little box. I basically want to be able to write in, and play around with, that 60's shimmery jangle pop sound. And maybe cop a little Peter Buck, as I learn new picking patterns and styles.
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Help!I'maRock!
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I've been thinking about the Mosaic for the past two days. @Chad had one and he said it's good for root position playing but doesn't sound different from other pitchshifters as you go up the neck. Though that Andy demo is pretty convincing.
I'm waiting to see what happens with the Line6 Helix 3.0 firmware rollout. There's supposed to be a major overhaul of the pitchshifting capabilities and hopefully there's a 12 string emulator, I might get the Stomp because I can use it as an interface and load IRs, including acoustic ones.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
I wonder how much playing plays (so to speak) into it, and affects how the pedal sounds. From what I am reading, it is not an easy sound to emulate, due to what a 12 string guitar is, and the fact that there are octave sounds and unity sounds combined. In any case, he plays a lot better than I do. But I like his demos.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Alone, or with the digitech? And I guess this goes into @Lerxst 's point regarding whether we are talking about the specific 12 string jangle or not.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
The Mosaic is long gone, it was only good in first position and not all that great on the high strings, it nailed the So Central Rain riff though.
The comp doesn't give you a 12 string sound, just some jangle with the bright switch on.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
Ok, found what I was looking for, I can totally do this with my Pitchfactor.
Something like this:
Put the mix at 50% or less.
Set Pitch A to unison with a short delay
Set Pitch B to octave up, also with a short delay
Crank the Low Pass Filter (LP) so it cuts off the super high octaves.
Something like this:
Put the mix at 50% or less.
Set Pitch A to unison with a short delay
Set Pitch B to octave up, also with a short delay
Crank the Low Pass Filter (LP) so it cuts off the super high octaves.
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sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Looks like I can't do anything like that in the M9, according to this I found on TGP:Ok, found what I was looking for, I can totally do this with my Pitchfactor.
Something like this:
Put the mix at 50% or less.
Set Pitch A to unison with a short delay
Set Pitch B to octave up, also with a short delay
Crank the Low Pass Filter (LP) so it cuts off the super high octaves.
Oh, I should add - with most of the octave effects and harmonizer you can't do chords. They work great on single note lines but there are some issues with intervals and chords. For example, I though I'd put the harmonizer a 1/2 step down to do Eb, or even further to mimic a Baritone or 7 string, but the additive and subtractive tones that are formed by the intervals make things come out strange (depends on the voicing of the chord). Also wanted to do an 8ve up for a faux 12 string. That was worse than the dropped tunings!
I will probably just stick with compressed jangle and maybe add a little modulation shimmer of some kind, and not try to emulate a 12 string.
Denverdave
Resident Ragamuffin
Filtertron or similar types of pickups jangle well. Especially through a older Vox amp.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
Polyphony is where the Mosaic really shines. You could probably also get to programming a TonePrint into a TC Sub N Up, and get more traditional pitchshifter tones going on.
I'm still gonna try it on the Pitchfactor. I've only had it for over a decade.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Perhaps Covid-19 is the season for dusting off old guitar gear a lot of us have had, and actually trying to use it. Has been so far for me, along with some amount of acquisition to try to do online better, and for the board. I need to take a break on buying any pedals, but if a used Mosaic is pretty cheap, I might play around with it just for first position stuff. Could help me cover some of that strummy strummy 60's pop I was thinking of, and @Chad said it would let me play around with that Buck South Central Rain type sound.
@Help!I'maRock! , Well, just took a quick look. No significant savings used on the bay or guitar center used, at least today. And that is a near 2 benji pedal, so that will need to wait a bit, if that happens at all.
Pine Apple Slim
Armchair Expert
Any low output type pickup can jangle in my experience.
Trad single coil Fenders of course, but something like a Casino with P90s, or any Gretsch with traditional Filter'Trons or Dynas will work.
Heck, even mini HBs. Trad PAFs, maybe an outlier set can, but probably not.
Hotter wound modern hard rock and metal focused pickups def not.
Besides the pickups its more about the other stuff than the guitar.
The player's technique, the amp, effects like comp and eq. You need an amp toward the cleaner side with decent headroom. That brown Fender of yours should do fine.
Just a bit of light compression can help cheat your technique a little, to even out the volume between the notes of your arpeggios. I like an optical comp myself, not as squashy and dramatic as a DynaComp or Ross. I have a Diamond Jr. that does the job.
And of course you need take the jazz blanket off your eq, you want upper mid and highs to predominate.
But the Nocturne Brain is my secret weapon. Yea it goes with Gretsches but it can put some sparkle into just about anything.
My main thing is Filtertrons or Dynas>light Optical comp>Brain>light OD to taste>modulation/delay/reverb to taste>clean high headroom amp.
Trad single coil Fenders of course, but something like a Casino with P90s, or any Gretsch with traditional Filter'Trons or Dynas will work.
Heck, even mini HBs. Trad PAFs, maybe an outlier set can, but probably not.
Hotter wound modern hard rock and metal focused pickups def not.
Besides the pickups its more about the other stuff than the guitar.
The player's technique, the amp, effects like comp and eq. You need an amp toward the cleaner side with decent headroom. That brown Fender of yours should do fine.
Just a bit of light compression can help cheat your technique a little, to even out the volume between the notes of your arpeggios. I like an optical comp myself, not as squashy and dramatic as a DynaComp or Ross. I have a Diamond Jr. that does the job.
And of course you need take the jazz blanket off your eq, you want upper mid and highs to predominate.
But the Nocturne Brain is my secret weapon. Yea it goes with Gretsches but it can put some sparkle into just about anything.
My main thing is Filtertrons or Dynas>light Optical comp>Brain>light OD to taste>modulation/delay/reverb to taste>clean high headroom amp.
Bob411
thrumming with potential
Don't people get a Danelectro for jangle on the cheap? This one?
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Danelectro/12-String-Semi-Hollow-Electric-Guitar.gc
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Danelectro/12-String-Semi-Hollow-Electric-Guitar.gc
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
Pitchfactor is glued to my board. In all the years I've owned it, nothing has beaten it for single line pitch shifting and whammy effects. My favored settings are Crystals, which is the shimmer reverb effect everyone else emulates; and 1 octave down + perfect 5th up, mixed with the dry signal.
Apparently, the last time I plugged this pedal in, I was working on a 12 string sound. It sounds good while strumming but play single lines and it sounds like Pat Metheny electric trumpets. Not my scene. So I've got some work to do with it.
I sold my Dano 12 for twice what I paid, but that was a long time ago. These are like $500 now.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Well, I have these compressor models to mess with, and I guess there are some EQ's in there too, though I need to find them.
Pine Apple Slim
Armchair Expert
Id try the Blues Comp Treb(You want treble) or the Tube Comp first.
You just need a little compression, enough to even out your spastic technique (Im talking about myself here) but not enough to really hear it or notice its effect. One of those you dont know its on till its off kinda deals.
As far as eq, just use the knobs on the guitar and amp and you should be fine.
You just need a little compression, enough to even out your spastic technique (Im talking about myself here) but not enough to really hear it or notice its effect. One of those you dont know its on till its off kinda deals.
As far as eq, just use the knobs on the guitar and amp and you should be fine.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Nevermind, found the EQ's. They are in there. Yeah, I have owned this thing only about 10 years. Pretty funny I am just now getting around to exploring it more. I think I will hook it up to the computer and run a firmware upgrade too.
