Giles Martin Vs. Revolver

Peen Simmons

Peen Simmons

Let’s Get Obtuse!
Listening to this new Giles Martin “Super Deluxe” Beatles grave robbery and I’m not into it. Seems like all these nerds who put their hands on the Beatles Holy Scriptures just like to turn up the volume on little background sounds so that you can’t hear the songs over the distraction of weird fiddly bits cranked up in an obnoxious stereo mix.
 
Some of it seems improved to my ears, and some it is worse off. It seems a better headphone experience than the original mix, at least. The remix track that puzzles me the most is Tomorrow Never Knows, where all the freaky loops have been lowered in the mix like unwelcome intrusions. I mean, if there were any track on the album where Giles should have gone all out with weirdness, this was it.

The big saving grace overall is that Giles couldn't resurface anything that had been intentionally taken out of the final mix back in 66.

And I still have qualms with the application of Peter Jackson's magical demixing technology here. We are supposed to accept that the individual tracks it spits out of the original recordings are the real deal -- genuine facsimiles of what George Martin and Geoff Emerick heard on the mixing board before the tracks got bounced down -- but that's really dependent on how much we trust the AI that's doing the separating.

Maybe I shouldn't worry my silly little head about it, since I probably wouldn't understand it if it were explained to me anyway. People get Ph.D.s in this stuff. And the mono mix is still here, and mostly unmolested.
 
I got excited about remixes that came out when I was young, with the selling point then being that the new remixes we're taking advantage of the sonic opportunities of compact disc. Maybe there's territory for an mp3-friendly remix, but I don't think that's this. At this point, the only thing that would interest me is a user-friendly website with stems and faders where I could make my own mixes.
 
I haven't heard it yet but I do actually like the other remixes they've done so far. Not as replacements to the originals but as a kind of new spin on them. I always have the 2009 remasters if I want to hear them as nature intended.

I think the new Animals mix sounds really good too.
 
smurfco said:
I haven't heard it yet but I do actually like the other remixes they've done so far. Not as replacements to the originals but as a kind of new spin on them. I always have the 2009 remasters if I want to hear them as nature intended.

I think the new Animals mix sounds really good too.
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Are you talking about Pink Floyd? The 2018 remix?
 
Tralfaz said:
And I still have qualms with the application of Peter Jackson's magical demixing technology here. We are supposed to accept that the individual tracks it spits out of the original recordings are the real deal -- genuine facsimiles of what George Martin and Geoff Emerick heard on the mixing board before the tracks got bounced down -- but that's really dependent on how much we trust the AI that's doing the separating.
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But every track exists in its original form, as Revolver did a lot of bouncing/reduction mixes. So, technically, you could potentially rebuild it from each individual track. Allegedly.
 
I am not excited by it. Revolver has become my favorite Beatles album, but I don't need remixes and alternate takes. I also didn't need to hear the early take on Yellow Submarine. No one cares... :embarrassed:
 
Some friends and I have been collecting Beatles bootlegs since long before the internet, and we have a lot of them. So, there definitely is a segment of the population that digs hearing alt takes, etc. There's some cool stuff on there that we havne't heard before, but I think over all it's way overpriced for what it is.
 
Psychotronic said:
But every track exists in its original form, as Revolver did a lot of bouncing/reduction mixes. So, technically, you could potentially rebuild it from each individual track. Allegedly.
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Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, the problem is that for a lot of the songs the pre-bounce of individual tracks were not preserved, so there's no way to separate them back out except through de-mixing tech. The book in the boxset goes into some detail about the various takes and the contents of the final four tracks for each song.

Gary Blanchard said:
I am not excited by it. Revolver has become my favorite Beatles album, but I don't need remixes and alternate takes. I also didn't need to hear the early take on Yellow Submarine. No one cares... :embarrassed:
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But as a John fan, you must surely appreciate how that early demo messes up Paul's story about how he wrote Yellow Submarine.
 
Tralfaz said:
But as a John fan, you must surely appreciate how that early demo messes up Paul's story about how he wrote Yellow Submarine.
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As a John fan I don't care. By the time it was recorded it was definitely Maccad'd up. One can see the roots of Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey in Yellow Submarine, and it isn't a pretty picture.

Donovan tells the story of how he met with Paul and added a line to Yellow Submarine, which to me indicates Paul was the one who took a dull, depressing song and turned it into a jolly ramble that is only redeemed by Ringo's light-hearted vocals.

(You may probably guess that it is not one of my favorite Beatle songs...:annoyed: )
 
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Tralfaz said:
Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, the problem is that for a lot of the songs the pre-bounce of individual tracks were not preserved, so there's no way to separate them back out except through de-mixing tech. The book in the boxset goes into some detail about the various takes and the contents of the final four tracks for each song.

But as a John fan, you must surely appreciate how that early demo messes up Paul's story about how he wrote Yellow Submarine.
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No, my point was the opposite -- they have the majority of the individual tracks pre-reduction. Allegedly. That's why there are compaints about there not having a 5.1 mix included.

Actually, I'm more of a Paul fan, and although John had the verse chords and melody, he only had 1 line of the song. Paul wrote the chorus and a lot of the lyrics. Allegedly.
 
Peen Simmons said:
Listening to this new Giles Martin “Super Deluxe” Beatles grave robbery and I’m not into it. Seems like all these nerds who put their hands on the Beatles Holy Scriptures just like to turn up the volume on little background sounds so that you can’t hear the songs over the distraction of weird fiddly bits cranked up in an obnoxious stereo mix.
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I hope yer happy with your thread Peen....you have brother against brother arguingthe merits of John vs Paul and you even made Gary post an "annoyed" smilie....was it worth it ?
 
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