The Endgame thread [SPOILERS]

baimun said:
I haven't felt this way since being a little kid and seeing Star Wars in the theatre.
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This.

If you can make me, a cynical north-of-50 dude, feel like I felt when I was a kid (and at the same time share that feeling with my 17 y/o son), I will give you lots of my money. We'll be seeing Endgame again this week and I'll probably take my sister to see it next weekend.

When went to see CA: Civil War a few years ago, the good trailers were:
  1. Jason Bourne
  2. X-Men: Apocalypse
  3. Doctor Strange
  4. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
When the Rogue One trailer was done, I leaned over to my then 14-y/o son and whispered: "When I was your age, just these trailers alone would have made me weep for joy. You live in a golden age of geek entertainment."
 
baimun said:
I saw it for a second time in IMAX on Sunday.

I think the first time I was just so overwhelmed with so much going on with so many characters I truly love.... on the second viewing, all of the Tony moments with his daughter, and with his dad.... totally choked up and tears welling in the eyes.

The Cap scenes in the third act.... I don't know if my heart will ever recover. AVENGERS............ Assemble. BOOM.


I haven't felt this way since being a little kid and seeing Star Wars in the theatre.
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We don't have iMax around here, but I did the 3D for my second watching, and felt that was well done. And had a similar experience to you. The Cap scenes, with the hammer, and especially his return to what he thought his life would be before all this happened, and the Tony moments, were really, really good. I am bummed about Black Widow. I liked that character and wanted to see more of her. I like redemption stories so her story and her offering of redemption to Hawkeye struck me as well.

I just like how all the characters have flaws. Even Cap is not perfect. Close, but not. Interested in learning more about the "Worthy" theme in MCU. Though it was a little over the top with the fat suit, I did enjoy the Thor story and his descent into depression and self doubt and attempts to crawl out to find his true self again.

The Hulk/Doc one was harder for me. I still don't get the Hulk not coming out in the last movie, and now it is like Bannon and Hulk went to couples' counseling and all united, and are now handing out tacos to the kid who got his lunch smashed by a mean bully walking by (figuratively speaking). Though all that was cute. There has to be more story there. It was interesting to see how Hulk back in the earlier Avengers movie compared to Hulk in recovery in this movie.
 
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sunvalleylaw said:
The Hulk/Doc one was harder for me. I still don't get the Hulk not coming out in the last movie, and now it is like Bannon and Hulk went to couples' counseling and all united, and are now handing out tacos to the kid who got his lunch smashed by a mean bully walking by (figuratively speaking). Though all that was cute. There has to be more story there. It was interesting to see how Hulk back in the earlier Avengers movie compared to Hulk in recovery in this movie.
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The first time I watched Infinity War I was pretty upset about Hulk not "coming out" after his defeat by Thanos and thought they were saying that he was scared, which is very very un-hulk-like.

When they explained that the Hulk personality was tired of cleaning up Banner's problems, it started to make more sense after Ragnarok. Hulk saw Thor as "Banner's friend", not his own teammate.

Endgame summed it up pretty succinctly with (paraphrasing) "First Hulk lost then [Banner] lost, but then we realized we could work together."

Hulk can get pretty one dimensional if he's just "SMASH" all the time.... Professor Hulk being embarrassed by his previous self and then just going "... raahhr... >smish< " was awesome. I look forward to the stories that can be told about this, and how it could possibly lead into him having a "normal life" that is stripped away and leads us to a World War Hulk type story. Hulk is scary enough when he's mad and full strength... but when he's mad and clever? Ohhhh shit.
 
baimun said:
The first time I watched Infinity War I was pretty upset about Hulk not "coming out" after his defeat by Thanos and thought they were saying that he was scared, which is very very un-hulk-like.

When they explained that the Hulk personality was tired of cleaning up Banner's problems, it started to make more sense after Ragnarok. Hulk saw Thor as "Banner's friend", not his own teammate.

Endgame summed it up pretty succinctly with (paraphrasing) "First Hulk lost then [Banner] lost, but then we realized we could work together."

Hulk can get pretty one dimensional if he's just "SMASH" all the time.... Professor Hulk being embarrassed by his previous self and then just going "... raahhr... >smish< " was awesome. I look forward to the stories that can be told about this, and how it could possibly lead into him having a "normal life" that is stripped away and leads us to a World War Hulk type story. Hulk is scary enough when he's mad and full strength... but when he's mad and clever? Ohhhh shit.
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Ok, I get it now. I did not make that connection. I have not seen Ragnorak in a while. And yeah, that scene when he cringed looking at back in time Hulk was pretty classic. I do like that character development now that I can see it.
 
Just got back from the theater. First, I liked it. When we left Infinity Wars, I told my kids, the only way the next one would suck is if they used time travel to fix everything. I still enjoyed it, but time travel is the lazy way out. They even poked fun at time travel movies and then made a time travel movie.

I also didn't really like the Tony Stark snap. They are the Avengers, they should have beaten Thanos and his teams ass, not snap his fingers and poof.

I will say that if Thor getting on the Guardians ship at the end means he is in Guardians 3, then I will forgive the snap and time travel.
 
[QUOTE="Flamencology, post: 1676490, member: 109"

That said, I’m a bit annoyed at Black Widow, since there is plenty more that could have been done with that character. [/QUOTE]

Absolutely! I could watch her walking away or standing with her back to the camera forever. (I like ScarJo's butt, for the peanut gallery.)

I saw it today. And even though I KNOW intellectually that I'm being emotionally manipulated by the music and the composition of the shots - I was still emotionally manipulated.

It needed more Captain Marvel, but save it for the next phase.

All-in-all, very satisfying end to the existing Marvel Universe.

And the humor was on point. Smart Hulk, Fat Thor, and Rocket doing a Philly accent (Cooper is from Philly area and Rocket was dead on Philly dialect) were all hilarious.

"We got beeah on the ship!"
 
Chad said:
I will say that if Thor getting on the Guardians ship at the end means he is in Guardians 3, then I will forgive the snap and time travel.
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Ragnarok Space Thor is the best Thor. And the Guardians movies are the only truly great examples of the Marvel Deathless World-Eating Mega Franchise movies, so I’m fine with this. I’m sure I’ll get around to watching Endgame, but the only Marvel things I get excited for are the Guardians movies.

I could conceivably be interested in the right kind of Kate Bishop Hawkeye flick, but they’re not gonna make that happen.
 
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And there has been talk of the girl from 13 Reasons Why being cast as Kate Bishop. Don't know if it's true or not, but would make the Hawkeye series compelling if he's training a protege'.
 
baimun said:
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And there has been talk of the girl from 13 Reasons Why being cast as Kate Bishop. Don't know if it's true or not, but would make the Hawkeye series compelling if he's training a protege'.
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Not really into that. Something that caught the mood and tone and a bit of the look from the Fraction/Aja Hawkeye run with a focus on Bishop as the protagonist would be interesting. Let Greta Gerwig direct. I’d be into that.

My beef with the mainline Disney Marvel stuff is that it is all so competent and glamorless. Unscruffy. Not nearly weird enough. The Guardians movies work for me because James Gunn is allowed some freedom to do his thing and the actors are all compelling and shit gets a little weird from time to time—it’s still crowd-pleasing big time entertainment, but it feels a bit funky—kinda like Empire Strikes Back or Raiders of the Lost Ark felt both big and small at the same time. There’s some charm there.

I also liked Ragnarok during the big dopey space Goldblum stuff and any time there was a Zeppelin-backed splash page or other general silliness. I couldn’t care less about the main plot where Cate Blanchett ate all the scenery in Asgard or where Thor was sad about his family or whatever.
 
On Sunday, Avengers: Endgame was already in the top 20 for all time worldwide box office.... 5 days after coming out.

Today, it's already in the top 10 (1.343 Billion )... and will most definitely pass the all time haul for Age of Ultron and Black Panther before the weekend is over.

So it's two biggest targets that loom ahead are Titanic (2.187 Billion) and Avatar (2.788 Billion). Conservative estimates are that that Endgame will pass Titanic pretty easily (On your Left!) but might run out of gas before catching James Cameron's blue cat people.

Thoughts?
 
baimun said:
On Sunday, Avengers: Endgame was already in the top 20 for all time worldwide box office.... 5 days after coming out.

Today, it's already in the top 10 (1.343 Billion )... and will most definitely pass the all time haul for Age of Ultron and Black Panther before the weekend is over.

So it's two biggest targets that loom ahead are Titanic (2.187 Billion) and Avatar (2.788 Billion). Conservative estimates are that that Endgame will pass Titanic pretty easily (On your Left!) but might run out of gas before catching James Cameron's blue cat people.

Thoughts?
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It’s a pointless metric. Unless I’m wrong, I think that, adjusted for inflation, Gone With the Wind is still #1.

I figure that I spent about $5 to see Titanic 22 years ago. It would cost quadruple that if I were to see it in 3D with vibrating seats.

EDIT: yeah, Titanic is the most recent movie that made the Top 10, adjusted for inflation.
 
Adjusted for inflation Titanic is #5 behind Gone With the Wind, Star Wars, Sound of Music and ET. Avatar is 15 and Avengers 29th. It will be interesting to see where it ends there, but movies prior to the 80s weren't competing against home video and streaming options. Even HBO wasn't a competitor to the theater. Star Wars was in theatres for nearly a year. Most current movies have maybe 18-20 weeks vefore they're prepping the Blu Ray and streaming release (which doesn't count towards the box office.)
 
baimun said:
Adjusted for inflation Titanic is #5 behind Gone With the Wind, Star Wars, Sound of Music and ET. Avatar is 15 and Avengers 29th. It will be interesting to see where it ends there, but movies prior to the 80s weren't competing against home video and streaming options. Even HBO wasn't a competitor to the theater. Star Wars was in theatres for nearly a year. Most current movies have maybe 18-20 weeks vefore they're prepping the Blu Ray and streaming release (which doesn't count towards the box office.)
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Also think about population. In 1950, there were about 2 billion people on the planet. Today, we are about 7.8 billion. That's almost 4 times the amount of people to buy tickets.
 
Gone with the Wind was in theaters the first run for 2 years... then reissued in 1989, 1998, and 2019.

I'm basically saying those repeat viewings are akin to us watching a dvd or blu ray over and over... or watching a rerun of Groundhog day on TNT.
 
baimun said:
Gone with the Wind was in theaters the first run for 2 years... then reissued in 1989, 1998, and 2019.

I'm basically saying those repeat viewings are akin to us watching a dvd or blu ray over and over... or watching a rerun of Groundhog day on TNT.
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But it’s not like they were playing in major cities for 2 years, and it’s not like they were playing in smaller communities opening night. Even in the 70s-80s, a small town could be waiting months for a reel. And keep in mind that, back in the 30s, theatres were owned by studios. A movie was a travelling caravan, not a streaming service.

Also consider that it was competing with The Wizard of Oz, Wuthering Heights, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Stagecoach, Rebecca, Pinocchio, The Philadelphia Story, etc.

And the rereleases would probably have earned less than $30m collectively in 2019 dollars.

I know that you’re rooting for Marvel here, but your argument is a massive stretch.
 
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Flamencology said:
But it’s not like they were playing in major cities for 2 years, and it’s not like they were playing in smaller communities opening night. Even in the 70s-80s, a small town could be waiting months for a reel. And keep in mind that, back in the 30s, theatres were owned by studios. A movie was a travelling caravan, not a streaming service.

Also consider that it was competing with The Wizard of Oz, Wuthering Heights, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Stagecoach, Rebecca, Pinocchio, The Philadelphia Story, etc.

And the rereleases would probably have earned less than $30m collectively in 2019 dollars.

I know that you’re rooting for Marvel here, but your argument is a massive stretch.
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Just reminiscing a minute here about what my Dad told me. Growing up, his family had the main theatre in Port Orchard, and a number of Peninsula area drive-ins. His Mom played organ during newsreels, and then at the Methodist Church on Sunday. He and his Twin brother used to drive up to Seattle on old 99 to get the reels to bring back for showing. They normally drove around rather than take the ferry. Years later, my Dad had a fondness for roadside diners, old school cups of coffee, and businesses like that that used to line the old highways before the freeways took over, and the old highways turned seedy. Green River killer, anyone? His family got out of the theatre business after his parents didn't like the way movies were going in the 60's. And they were pretty much ready to retire then anyway.

Ok, back to Avengers.
 
Flamencology said:
I know that you’re rooting for Marvel here, but your argument is a massive stretch.
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Oh, I know that number of showings (particularly taking total screens and total population into account) definitely favors the classics.... I was just pointing out some additional apples to orange factors that make comparisons even more difficult.
 
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