Modern Saint
Starve your Fear, Feed your Dream!
Here is a rear shot of my Chandler loaded with a Floyd Rose. The 3rd string goes up a Major 3rd and I have yet to rout the top so I can go up a fourth. I gotta try Carl's method on my Strat.
Carl Verheyen Whammy bar set up
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GreenAsJade
Just this guy, you know?
Are you sure that what happened isn't just that you changed the overall tension on the bridge?
The real test of this is what happens if you angle the claw the exact other way, with the same overall tension.
You will know if you have the same overall tension because the bridge floats in the same place.
If you are willing to try that, it would be _awesome_.
If it really works (which means that the behaviour should be different with the claw angled the other way), can anyone explain how on earth it makes a difference?
GaJ
The real test of this is what happens if you angle the claw the exact other way, with the same overall tension.
You will know if you have the same overall tension because the bridge floats in the same place.
If you are willing to try that, it would be _awesome_.
If it really works (which means that the behaviour should be different with the claw angled the other way), can anyone explain how on earth it makes a difference?
GaJ
Modern Saint
Starve your Fear, Feed your Dream!
I don't know if you are referring to Mark's setup or my own. If it is me you are referencing, the tension is changed and made to have a consistant pressure across all of the strings - gauges are 10-46. I don't break strings and the trem always comes back in tune. Through years of owning several guitars that were outfitted with Floyds, this system worked best for me. I used to run a more even system when my string gauges were 10-38.
GreenAsJade
Just this guy, you know?
I was meaning Mark 
He adjusted his trem, as the pictures show, and is happy with the result.
But I'm (pigheadedly?) still not convinced it has anything to do with the claw being on an angle.
I reckon that if he puts the angle the other way, with the tension exactly the same, it will be the same.
GaJ
He adjusted his trem, as the pictures show, and is happy with the result.
But I'm (pigheadedly?) still not convinced it has anything to do with the claw being on an angle.
I reckon that if he puts the angle the other way, with the tension exactly the same, it will be the same.
GaJ
I was meaning Mark
He adjusted his trem, as the pictures show, and is happy with the result.
But I'm (pigheadedly?) still not convinced it has anything to do with the claw being on an angle.
I reckon that if he puts the angle the other way, with the tension exactly the same, it will be the same.
GaJ
I'm not going to mess with this guitar...maybe if I have time to do one of my other instruments I might try it both ways. What he says does make sens to me, though. I had to adjust the amount of depth each screw for the claw was screwed into the body to find the right balance for the intervals to come out.
GreenAsJade
Just this guy, you know?
What I don't get is why you think it makes sense.
Every spring is pulling on the same single bar of iron.
It's not like the top spring is pulling on the top E string, and the bottom spring is pulling on the bottom E string.
When you pull the wammy bar, the top E string is pulled the same amount as the bottom E string, no matter what you do with the spring tensions.
If I could understand this I'd be a happy chappy
I might have to ditch playing this evening and mess with a screwdriver instead!
GaJ
Every spring is pulling on the same single bar of iron.
It's not like the top spring is pulling on the top E string, and the bottom spring is pulling on the bottom E string.
When you pull the wammy bar, the top E string is pulled the same amount as the bottom E string, no matter what you do with the spring tensions.
If I could understand this I'd be a happy chappy
I might have to ditch playing this evening and mess with a screwdriver instead!
GaJ
Flamencology
You don't deserve koa.
Someone needs to spark this debate over at TGP or HCEG or something. It's kind of a airplane/conveyer belt kinda thing. Maybe we could pitch it to Mythbusters. Hell, even GJ would probably have an engineer or physicist or two that might tackle it.
What I don't get is why you think it makes sense.
Every spring is pulling on the same single bar of iron.
It's not like the top spring is pulling on the top E string, and the bottom spring is pulling on the bottom E string.
When you pull the wammy bar, the top E string is pulled the same amount as the bottom E string, no matter what you do with the spring tensions.
If I could understand this I'd be a happy chappy
I might have to ditch playing this evening and mess with a screwdriver instead!
GaJ
I'm just happy it works.
I'm sure it's been beaten to death at TGP already....
GreenAsJade
Just this guy, you know?
Mythbusters!! Good one! Yeah - they would do it justice for sure.
In the absence of that, I'll see what I can do
At least you seem to be somewhat agreeing with me that despite it working for you, you can't quite see _why_ it does
I did a little googling and couldn't straight away find an answer. In fact, that's what brought me to this thread
GaJ
In the absence of that, I'll see what I can do
At least you seem to be somewhat agreeing with me that despite it working for you, you can't quite see _why_ it does
I did a little googling and couldn't straight away find an answer. In fact, that's what brought me to this thread
GaJ
GreenAsJade
Just this guy, you know?
Alrighty. Well, I recorded myself trying this out. I fear that my conclusion will not win many friends, since heaps of folk endorse this thing. But... what happened was exactly what I thought would happen. Before I post this at TLL and make all those enemies over there, or get howled down due to some obvious stupidity, I wonder if you guys would pick me to pieces first. I don't know you so well, so hopefully it will be less painful for me
GaJ
GaJ
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John Watt
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Thank you, GreenAsJade, for such a scientific demonstration.
At first I thought, six minutes, but as soon as I heard the Australian accent I thought this is going to be good.
And I'm green, trying to get greener, but I'll never be as green as jade.
There is another string retainer template, and that's the one I built into my semi-solid-body.
It's not built to accomodate assembly line construction, first of all, it's all built together, tightly, and is centered in the body's acoustics.
Even though it's almost an inch deeper inside the body, from the back, it's built to be easy to get at the retainer screws,
adjust it for the tremolo action you want, and are just there to be adjusted in case you think it sounds better somewhere different.
Seeing what's happening here with the springs, no-one's shown how changing and rearranging them makes the guitar work different.
That's easy to hear, plugging it in and picking the different springs.
Even Jimi never reinstalled the back plate after it was taken off, I think. I'm pretty sure.
At first I thought, six minutes, but as soon as I heard the Australian accent I thought this is going to be good.
And I'm green, trying to get greener, but I'll never be as green as jade.
There is another string retainer template, and that's the one I built into my semi-solid-body.
It's not built to accomodate assembly line construction, first of all, it's all built together, tightly, and is centered in the body's acoustics.
Even though it's almost an inch deeper inside the body, from the back, it's built to be easy to get at the retainer screws,
adjust it for the tremolo action you want, and are just there to be adjusted in case you think it sounds better somewhere different.
Seeing what's happening here with the springs, no-one's shown how changing and rearranging them makes the guitar work different.
That's easy to hear, plugging it in and picking the different springs.
Even Jimi never reinstalled the back plate after it was taken off, I think. I'm pretty sure.
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SColfax
Little Hot Wing
Here's another interesting way to setup a vintage-style trem. The idea here is more about stability, not being able to pull up a perfect half/whole step:
I tried it once and it worked quite well. Somehow I did it slightly wrong and my G would go out of tune on bends, but I could immediately get back into perfect tune by dumping the vibrato bar.
I tried it once and it worked quite well. Somehow I did it slightly wrong and my G would go out of tune on bends, but I could immediately get back into perfect tune by dumping the vibrato bar.
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